Estonia's foreign minister, Margus Tsahkna, says Putin will flood Europe with the criminals he recruited to fight in Ukraine once the war ends. With Russia unable to reintegrate thousands of 'psychologically crazy' ex-combatants back into society, they will be used for Wagner-style sabotage operations on a scale European governments have yet to grapple with. In Patrick's words, 'the moment of maximum danger could be when the fighting ends.' Hosts: General Sir Patrick Sanders and Tom Newton Dunn Guest: Foreign Minister of Estonia, Margus Tsahkna Producer: Shabnam Grewal Executive producer: Fiona Leach Image: Getty Get in touch: generalandjournalist@thetimes.co.uk 00:00 – The risk of a million brutalised veterans 01:53 – US troop withdrawals from Germany 04:47 – Cancelled missile deployments and capability gaps 07:53 – Putin’s paranoia and secret bunker life 11:18 – Estonia’s warning: Life on the front line 16:34 – The shadow war: Russian sabotage in Europe 21:38 – Why peace in Ukraine is a security threat 28:52 – Preventing future Russian adventurism #nato #russia #ukrainewar #estonia #geopolitics Read the best of our journalism: https://www.thetimes.com/ Listen live to Times Radio: https://www.thetimes.com/radio/live Subscribe to The Times and The Sunday Times YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=timesonlinevideo Find us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/timesandsundaytimes/ Find us on X: https://x.com/thetimes Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thetimes/