Monopoly expert Matt Stoller joins public defender, author, civil rights lawyer, & founder of Civil Rights Corp to hash out their online disagreements about the "defund" movement. Many lefty guests over the years have raised concerns with defund as a slogan or as a movement goal, but rarely do they have an opportunity to talk directly to an abolitionist and expert like Alec. This conversation represents a real step forward toward the goal better understanding why "defund" was chosen as a label, the importance of breaking from reformist movements of the past, and the root of why so many ideologically aligned people bristle at the word. Subscribe to Bad Faith with Briahna Joy Gray on YouTube for video of this episode. Find Bad Faith on Twitter (@badfaithpod) and Instagram (@badfaithpod). Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands)