After her viral 2010 TED Talk, “The Power of Vulnerability,” Brené Brown became a kind of guru for millions of people around the world who devotedly follow her writing, podcasts and TV specials. In recent years, Brown has turned her focus to the workplace, advising CEOs and promoting the idea of “courageous leadership,” which is also the subject of her new book, “Strong Ground.” On “The Interview,” Brown talks to host Lulu Garcia-Navarro about what makes a good leader in this moment of intense technological and cultural upheaval. “The Interview” features conversations with the world’s most fascinating people. Each week, co-hosts David Marchese and Lulu Garcia-Navarro talk to compelling, influential figures in culture, politics, business, sports and beyond — illuminating who they are, why they do what they do and how they impact the rest of us. In Brown’s video: Bevo XV photograph by Randal Ford This interview refers to a Harvard academic who studies digital transformation as Linda Hall. She is Linda A. Hill. Read the interview on NYTimes.com: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/06/magazine/brene-brown-interview.html Subscribe to “The Interview”: https://www.youtube.com/@theinterviewpodcast Subscribe to New York Times audio: https://bit.ly/3Qz3GZu Download the New York Times app: https://bit.ly/4gZdoip #theinterview Chapters: 00:10 About Brené Brown 01:10 Why Brown started focusing on leadership in the workplace 07:07 How to deal with AI, instability and the overwhelming pace of change 12:28 Has compassion at work gone out of style? 17:39 Were DEI and other inclusivity programs performative? 20:52 Gen X, Gen Z and intergenerational differences at work 24:34 The secrets to good communication 27:04 On self-help, influencers and how Brown sees herself 33:01 Brown isn't “America’s therapist”