WATCH FULL EPISODE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_FDZozJ9zE&t=0s Subscribe Here: @JulianDoreyDaily Newsletter: https://juliandoreypodcast.beehiiv.com/get-julians-top-10-books CLIPPERS DISCORD: https://discord.com/invite/8QmWEKJ3BT John Kiriakou is a former CIA senior counterterrorism officer and the agency's chief of counterterrorism in the Middle East. He was the first and only CIA officer ever imprisoned for leaks — spending 23 months in federal prison after blowing the whistle on the CIA's torture and waterboarding program. He is a journalist author and host of Deep Focus. In this segment he sits down with Julian Dorey for the most personally revealing and most operationally specific CIA conversation in the series — covering the Rudy Giuliani beef story and the impenetrable TSA door, the job offer of a lifetime and the FBI's counter intelligence embarrassment, what attending the CIA Farm was actually like, what it felt like to enjoy being a CIA spy and work assets, spy craft school and the disguise story, the prison experience and making assets on the inside, and the first wife and the specific difficulty of being in a relationship with a CIA officer who could not tell you anything. The CIA Farm thread is the episode's most operationally specific and most immediately significant contribution. The CIA Farm — the agency's classified training facility in Virginia known officially as Camp Peary — is one of the most documented and most consistently mysterious elements of the CIA training pipeline. Kiriakou attended it. He examines what the Farm is actually like — the specific training methodologies the psychological demands the tradecraft curriculum and what it felt like to go through an institution designed to produce people who can operate in environments where a single mistake is fatal. The disguise story from spy craft school is the most personally vivid and most immediately alarming element of the Farm training thread — a specific and documented account of what CIA disguise training looks like from the inside. The job offer and FBI embarrassment thread is the episode's most institutionally revealing and most personally significant contribution. Kiriakou describes the job offer of a lifetime — the specific moment in his career trajectory when the CIA presented him with the opportunity that defined everything that followed — and the FBI's counter intelligence embarrassment that provides the most alarming institutional context for understanding the specific rivalry between the CIA and the FBI that shapes so much of the operational environment Kiriakou worked in. The working assets thread is the episode's most humanly significant and most operationally specific contribution. Working assets — the specific CIA practice of cultivating managing and running human intelligence sources — is the core of what Kiriakou did and what he describes as genuinely enjoying. The specific dynamics of the asset relationship — the trust the manipulation the genuine human connection that makes good asset work possible and the specific moral complexity of what you are asking another human being to do when you recruit them — are examined with the honesty and the personal specificity that makes Kiriakou's account the most credible and most humanly grounded available from a practicing CIA officer. Inside This Clip: The Rudy Giuliani beef story and the impenetrable TSA door — the most absurd opening in the segment The job offer of a lifetime — what it was and what it meant for Kiriakou's CIA trajectory The FBI counter intelligence embarrassment — what happened and what it reveals about the CIA-FBI relationship Attending the CIA Farm — what it is actually like from the inside What it felt like to enjoy being a CIA spy — Kiriakou's honest account of the work he loved Working assets — the specific dynamics of cultivating running and managing human intelligence sources Spy craft school and the disguise story — the most operationally vivid element of the Farm training ***TIMESTMAPS*** 0:00 - Most Corrupt Politician Story & Impenetrable TSA Door 17:29 - John's Job Offer of a Lifetime FBI's Embarrassment & Counter Intelligence Program 25:39 - Attending CIA Farm John Enjoying Being a CIA Spy & Working Assets 40:15 - Spy Craft School & Being in Disguise Story 52:31 - Prison Story & Making Assets 57:45 - 1st Wife & Difficulty of Being a CIA Asset @JulianDoreyDaily