This week, we interviewed Cleo Abram, one of the fastest-growing science communicators on YouTube. We covered leaving a big job at Vox, starting her own channel, and what it's like growing a YouTube channel from scratch in 2023. It's a great conversation! Don't miss it. Chapters: 00:00 Intro 00:21: ChatGPT Questions 12:24: What is the "Huge if true" element? 22:06: Ad break 1 22:12: What's it been like going independent? 27:18: Shorts discussion 37:40: Sports tech discussion 47:26: How we think about project timelines 52:11: Ad break 2 53:11: Cleo's team breakdown 1:04:48: What's next for Cleo? 1:09:34: Typing test! Links: Cleo's channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/cleoabram Quantum computers explained collab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fz3dqhN44 Twitters/Xs: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/durvidimel https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 https://twitter.com/EllisRovin https://twitter.com/cleoabram Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.