John is joined by Israeli national security expert Dan Schueftan for a blunt conversation about why Israel is so resented and how it remains resilient in spite of widespread opposition. Dan argues that Israel is hated because it challenges Western assumptions, such as the belief that the Arab world is on the road to democracy, and that institutions like the United Nations can settle conflicts. He explains why Egypt and Jordan, whose interests often align with Israel’s, struggle to act on them in the face of hostile public opinion, and why he sees Turkey under Erdogan as a danger to Israel, NATO and the West. He also argues that democracy depends on national solidarity, and describes the Israeli army as a social institution that brings Israelis from very different backgrounds together. This conversation is a candid look at the challenge of defending a free society in a hostile region without compromising its freedom. Dr. Dan Schueftan is the Head of the International Graduate Program in National Security at the University of Haifa and director of the university's National Security Studies Center. He has previously served as an advisor to Israel's National Security Council. His recent books include The Israel-Arab Reader – A Documentary History of the Middle East Conflict (2016) and Israel's National Objectives - A Comprehensive Perspective (2021). Sign up to John's newsletter here: https://johnanderson.net.au/contact/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conversations feature John Anderson, former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia, interviewing the world's foremost thought leaders about today's pressing social, cultural and political issues. John believes proper, robust dialogue is necessary if we are to maintain our social strength and cohesion. As he puts it; "You cannot get good public policy out of a bad public debate." If you value this discussion and want to see more like it, make sure you subscribe to the channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtnYSEGViOnb7k8ezUaWUww?sub_confirmation=1 And stay right up to date with all the conversations by subscribing to the newsletter here: https://johnanderson.net.au/contact/ Follow John on X: https://www.twitter.com/JohnAndersonAC Follow John on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnandersonac Follow John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnandersonac/ Subscribe to John's Substack: https://www.ourcivilisationalmoment.com/ Support the channel: https://johnanderson.net.au/support/ Website: https://johnanderson.net.au/ Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Qh2fEsC7nEVxXxQzwTv54 2QH0QLLWRVNX5LFA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Follow Dan: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-mPKS95XgVXnCgRCZP0dqw LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-schueftan-799316aa/