In a new book, “End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World,” the influential leftist thinkers Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor argue that a powerful coalition of religious fundamentalists, ethnonationalists and tech oligarchs (Elon Musk chief among them) is actively — and successfully — hastening the destruction of the world as we know it. Why? Because they believe that they’re primed to thrive on the other side of catastrophe, everyone else be damned. This is a sobering, scary vision of contemporary political battles. But as the still hopeful Klein and Taylor explain, they wrote their book because they believe the conclusion is far from foregone. Naomi Klein is the author of the best sellers “The Shock Doctrine” and “Doppelganger,” and Astra Taylor is an author and documentarian, as well as a founder of the Debt Collective, a debtors’ union. Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/12/magazine/naomi-klein-astra-taylor-interview.html [00:00] Introducing Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor [03:54] Who are the “end times fascists”? [06:14] The Trump administration's Frankenstein coalition [09:02] Why tech elites now support Trump [12:33] Silicon Valley's far-right ideology [16:36] Elon Musk's vision for a “VIP” future [20:59] Does using language like "fascism" risk dismissal? [24:52] Why is the left struggling to gain power? [27:27] Opportunities for pushback and accountability [31:20] Fighting "traitors to life" [33:06] What makes life truly worthwhile? “The Interview” features conversations with the world’s most fascinating people. Each week, co-hosts David Marchese and Lulu Garcia-Navarro talk to compelling, influential figures in culture, politics, business, sports and beyond — illuminating who they are, why they do what they do and how they impact the rest of us. Subscribe to “The Interview”: https://www.youtube.com/@theinterviewpodcast Discover the journalism Times subscribers get daily, free for your first month in The New York Times app. Download here: https://nytimes.onelink.me/Xpht/a6wzplra #theinterview #endtimesfascism #astrataylor #naomiklein #fascism