To read more about Michael & peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏼 https://bit.ly/richroll552 Michael Muller is Hollywood's premiere celebrity photographer -- a guy who has created legendary images of everyone who is anyone for every prominent media outlet — from Vanity Fair to Esquire. The question isn’t who has he photographed, it’s who hasn’t he (including the iconic Time magazine cover of Kobe Bryant bowing). But Michael’s truest passion — and the primary focus of today’s exchange — is great white sharks. Documenting them on film. Understanding them. Educating others about them. And most importantly, preserving them. ✌🏼🌱 - Rich LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/rrpitunes Spotify: http://bit.ly/rrpspotify Google: http://bit.ly/rrpgooglepods Subscribe to Rich’s newsletter: http://bit.ly/rollcallemail CONNECT WITH RICH ✩ Website - http://richroll.com ✩ Rich Roll Podcast - http://bit.ly/richrollpod ✩ Instagram - http://instagram.com/richroll ✩ Twitter - http://twitter.com/richroll ✩ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/richrollfans ✩ Strava - http://www.strava.com/athletes/richroll ✩ Memoir: Finding Ultra - http://bit.ly/rrfindingultrarev ✩ Meals - http://meals.richroll.com ✩ Cook - The Plantpower Way - http://bit.ly/rrppwbook ✩ Italian! - The Plantpower Way: Italia - http://bit.ly/rrppwitalia ✩ Support - https://www.patreon.com/richroll FILMED BY BLAKE CURTIS AND EDITED BY DAVID BLUM https://www.blakecurtis.net/ * * * * * NEW TO RICH? Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles: http://bit.ly/otillonyt http://bit.ly/vegansglam I LOVE MAIL! SEND IT HERE: 2630 Conejo Spectrum St. Thousand Oaks, CA 91320 00:00 - Introduction 02:26 - Shark Attacks 07:04 - Fear & Fascination with Sharks 08:13 - First Shark Experience 09:05 - Shark Photography 11:05 - Shark Conservation Decision 13:06 - 'Sharks' Taschen Book 14:48 - How Experience Changes You 18:04 - Swimming with Great Whites 25:13 - Growing up in Saudi Arabia 28:08 - High School, Triathlon & Photography 33:01 - Beginning his Photography Career 36:46 - Drug Habit 39:08 - New Chapter in Photography Career 40:32 - Meeting His Wife 42:06 - Dealing with PTSD 49:34 - Protecting Kids From Trauma 52:07 - Shark VR Experience 57:59 - VR as Therapy for Anxiety & PTSD 58:44 - Idea for Shark VR 01:02:26 - Building a Proof of Concept 01:08:02 - Therapy Moving Forward 01:11:13 - Do Sharks See Colors? 01:13:37 - Shark Breaching Photo 01:16:07 - Movie Poster Work 01:17:42 - Taking Kobe Bryant’s Photo 01:21:19 - Taking Timeless Photographs 01:23:01 - Hollywood Photography 01:30:43 - Getting Ideas from the Universe 01:33:29 - Depleting Shark Population 01:35:58 - Friendship with Joaquin Phoenix 01:36:53 - Making an Impact 01:43:10 - Current Projects 01:44:02 - Advice to the Young 01:45:26 - Closing Remarks #richroll #richrollpodcast #sharks