What does a positive vision for the center-left look like? Can moderation still excite the Democratic base? Matt Yglesias, who writes the Slow Boring newsletter and hosts The Argument podcast, talks to Jon about his vision for the Democratic Party and why he believes more Democrats need to embrace heterodoxy. The two discuss how the policy debate could play out in the upcoming presidential primary, the role charisma and attention-getting play in politics, and which Democrats are best positioned to win in 2028. CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS: HELIX: https://www.helixsleep.com/crooked ACORNS: https://www.acorns.com/crooked OUR PLACE: https://fromourplace.com/?utm_source=audio&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CROOKED Code: CROOKED ZIPRECRUITER: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/CROOKED SUNDAYS FOR DOGS: https://www.sundaysfordogs.com/CROOKED Code: CROOKED Chapters: 0:00 Intro 1:40 Interview: Matt Yglesias 11:22 Ad Break 14:23 The Real Reason Moderate Democrats Struggle 33:49 Ad Break 36:30 Navigating ICE, Immigration, and Interest Groups 57:08 Ad Break 58:35 Shapiro, Rahm, and the Case for Making Room for New Voices 1:10:17 Who Could Win in 2028 1:13:53 Credits Join this channel to get access to perks like ad-free episodes and exclusive videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKRoXz3hHAu2XL_k3Ef4vJQ/join For a transcript of an episode of Pod Save America, please email transcripts@crooked.com. Subscribe to our channel! https://www.youtube.com/crookedmedia?sub_confirmation=1 Photos courtesy of AP Photo Archive Crooked believes that we need a better conversation about politics, culture, and the world around us—one that doesn’t just focus on what’s broken, but what we can do to fix it. At a time when it’s increasingly easy to feel cynical or hopeless, former Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor have created a place where people can have sane conversations that inform, entertain, and inspire action. In 2017 they started Crooked with Pod Save America—a no-bullshit conversation about politics. Since then, we continue to add shows, voices, and opportunities for activism, because it’s up to all of us to do our part to build a better world. That’s it. End of mission. Learn more about Crooked at http://www.crooked.com Follow the pod on Twitter https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica Follow Crooked on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CrookedMedia/ Follow Crooked on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/