Freddie Sayers meets Francis Fukuyama. Read the full article here: https://unherd.com/2022/03/this-war-can-save-liberalism/ Listen to the podcast version: https://shows.acast.com/lockdowntv-with-freddie-sayers/francis-fukuyama-can-putins-war-rescue-liberalism Francis Fukuyama is a political scientist and public intellectual, most famous for his 1992 book The End of History and the Last Man which has helped to define how we understand contemporary history. His new book is called Liberalism and its Discontents. Freddie Sayers spoke to Dr. Fukuyama about the war in Ukraine, current trends in Western democracy, and how liberalism can better understand aspects of the human condition it has historically neglected. Follow UnHerd on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unherd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unherd/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unherd/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unherdtv // TIMECODES // 00:00 - 00:36 - Introduction 00:36 - 02:27 - Is the Ukraine invasion further proof of the demise of the liberal world order? 02:27 - 04:08 - Does Francis Fukuyama think Putin will lose? 04:08 - 06:32 - Could potential defeat for Putin turn this war nuclear? 06:32 - 10:56 - Could we see a revitalised Western liberal section, post-war? 10:56 - 20:50 - Will the West lean towards a more Chinese-style society? 20:50 - 25:08 - Are ‘neutral systems’ becoming weaponised and damaging democracy? 25:08 - 32:54 - Fukuyama’s observation of the previous decade compared to End of History’ 32:54 - 35:17 - Should we push back against some of the excesses of liberalism? 35:17 - 37:47 - Are we losing confidence in Western countries? 37:47 - 41:03 - Is the period of ‘the End of History’ over? If so, what does it look like now? 41:03 - 42:05 - Concluding thoughts #Fukuyama #Ukraine #Liberalism