A few weeks ago, we had an all star panel to discuss AI data centers and the pivot in both liberal and left publications away from embracing climate change as an issue. One of those articles was written in the New York Times by Syracuse professor Matt Huber, who teachers in the geography and environment department. Huber joins the podcast with Aaron Reguberg to push back on how his argument was characterized, and to defend his take that Democrats don't have to campaign on climate change anymore because they should prioritize economic issues. Are these ideas in tension? Does opposing AI data centers constitute both a material environmental issue? Did Green New Deal advocacy fail win voters? Or was it thwarted by the Democratic establishment? Is the takeaway from Mamdani's success in New York City that Democrats should decenter climate?