Joe Grand - better known by his alias Kingpin - has been hacking everything he could touch since the '80s. Phone phreaking, intercepting pager messages, DOS, Windows, and more. He's been arrested, testified before the U.S. Congress, and even hosted his own cable TV show. So how does he hold onto his Punk Rock spirit - even in his 40s - when so many of us lose it to age, responsibility, and giving up on changing the world? Visit Joe's YouTube channel! ​@JoeGrand Visit https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/155/ for a list of sources, full transcripts, and to listen to all episodes.