In this episode, you'll get to dive into a hotly debated topic: should you eat meat, or not? Joining me are two powerhouse guests with decades of experience in nutrition, fitness, and health—Dr. Shawn Baker, best-selling author of The Carnivore Diet and renowned carnivore advocate, and Joel Greene, creator of The Immunity Code and champion of dietary diversity. In this spirited debate, Dr. Baker discusses the benefits he's seen with a strict carnivore approach—meat, eggs, some dairy, and minimal plant foods—not just for himself but for patients dealing with a variety of chronic health issues. He shares why he believes animal-based nutrition is so effective, breaks down the science of ketosis and gut health, and addresses concerns about the long-term effects of fiber-free diets. Meanwhile, Joel Greene makes the case for dietary variety, drawing from evolutionary biology, clinical research, and personal experience. He explores why a combination of animal and plant foods might provide unique synergies, the importance of fiber for gut and immune health, and the natural rhythms of scarcity, feasting, and abundance our ancestors experienced. Joel argues that even small amounts of diverse foods can “nerf” potential downsides of strict elimination diets. Full show notes here: bengreenfieldlife.com/diversityorcarnivore Ben Greenfield Life Website: https://bengreenfieldlife.com/ Ben Greenfield Life Podcast: https://bengreenfieldlife.com/podcast/ Ben Greenfield Books: https://shopbengreenfieldlife.com/collections/books Instagram https://www.instagram.com/bengreenfieldfitness/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/BGFitness X https://twitter.com/bengreenfield TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@bengreenfield