“I’m not sure there is a direct lesson for Badenoch to draw from Meloni.” Giorgia Meloni is a “charismatic and effective” leader, whereas Kemi Badenoch is a “B-minus politician” says The Times columnist James Marriott. James Marriott was speaking to Hugo Rifkind on Times Radio. Listen live every Monday to Thursday, 10am-1pm. Read the best of our journalism: https://www.thetimes.com/ Listen live to Times Radio: https://www.thetimes.com/radio/live Subscribe to The Times and The Sunday Times YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=timesonlinevideo Find us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/timesandsundaytimes/ Find us on X: https://x.com/thetimes Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thetimes/