From the remote plains of South Central Utah to the cartel-controlled territories of Mexico, Hagan's journey as a hunting guide reads like an adventure novel that couldn't possibly be true, except every word of it is. Growing up in a town of barely 120 people shaped his self-reliance in ways that modern suburban life simply cannot replicate. When the orthodontist arrives in a mobile bus once a month and the nearest gas station is 20 miles away, you learn to plan ahead and make do. The contrast between Hagan's childhood freedom and today's digitally tethered youth is stark. He recalls riding four-wheelers with guns as a kid, fishing miles from home without supervision, and the resistance he felt when finally forced to get a cell phone, it meant his parents could actually track him down. These formative experiences built character and capabilities that he sees lacking in many young people entering the workforce today. "They don't know how to run a dang shovel," he laments, noting how many can't retain instructions from one day to the next. His journey from college wrestling scholarship to oil field work to becoming a respected hunting guide reveals a man constantly adapting to challenge and opportunity. The stories from his guiding career range from hilarious to harrowing, clients obsessing over an eighth-inch difference in antler measurement, brothers stabbing each other while field dressing an elk, and narrowly avoiding cartel violence in Mexico. Each tale offers a glimpse into the beautiful, brutal reality of a life lived close to nature and far from comfort. Perhaps most compelling is Hagan's evolution as a hunter himself. While once focused on trophy animals and personal achievements, he now finds the greatest satisfaction in creating experiences for others, watching a child's face light up with their first successful hunt or seeing a veteran overcome with emotion after harvesting an elk. In a world increasingly disconnected from natural processes and authentic experiences, his story reminds us what we stand to lose if we forget the lessons only wilderness can teach. CHAPTERS: 00:00:00 - Growing Up in Rural South Central Utah 00:14:47 - Freedom of Childhood vs Today's Digital World 00:31:40 - College Wrestling and Oil Field Days 00:51:42 - Breaking Into the Guiding Business 01:16:38 - Nightmare Clients and Hunting Drama 01:42:07 - Wild Adventures in Mexico 02:09:34 - Trophy Hunting and Conservation Realities 02:26:25 - Why We Hunt: Creating Meaningful Experiences Follow the Chaos: Apple iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-wild-chaos-podcast/id1732761860 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5KFGZ6uABb1sQlfkE2TIoc?si=8ff748aa4fc64331 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wildchaospodcast Bam's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bambam0069 Youtube: https://youtube.com/@UCXT4SIBHUddzBhs4P1I2oGg TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wildchaosshow Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheWildChaosPodcast