Go beyond the headlines with Scott Payne, a former undercover operative whose real-life missions placed him deep inside some of America’s most dangerous white supremacist groups and notorious biker gangs. STS’ Emmy Award–winning journalist Joel Waldman interviews Payne about the realities of living undercover—earning trust, managing constant risk, and the personal toll of years spent in the shadows. This compelling discussion explores life undercover, the psychology of extremist movements, the ethical lines investigators must navigate, and what it takes to return to normal life after years of deception. Thoughtful, tense, and deeply human, this interview offers rare insight into counter-extremism, investigative journalism, and the true cost of going undercover—from survival and sacrifice to resilience and redemption. Learn more about Scott Payne: Https://www.instagram.com/scottpaynebigcountry/?hl=en Scott Payne's Book here: Https://a.co/d/h72xndG Support the show and be a part of #STSNation Donate to STS' Trial Travel: Https://www.paypal.com/ncp/payment/GJ5DTTCU3A9X2 VENMO: @STSPodcast or Https://www.venmo.com/stspodcast Check out STS Merch: Https://www.bonfire.com/store/sts-store/ Joel's Book: Https://amzn.to/48GwbLx Join Patreon: Https://www.patreon.com/survivingthesurvivor Email: SurvivingTheSurvivor@gmail.com Subscribe, Like & Set Alerts to "ALL" for show times & breaking news. . Surviving The Survivor is a leading destination for true crime analysis, breaking crime news, murder trial coverage, criminal investigations, courtroom breakdowns, and live case discussions. Hosted by Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman and his mother Karm, a child Holocaust survivor, STS brings together top FBI profilers, homicide detectives, criminal defense attorneys, prosecutors, forensic experts, journalists, victims' advocates, and survivors to analyze the biggest true crime stories. From high-profile murder cases and missing persons investigations to serial killers, criminal psychology, police procedures, and major court trials, STS delivers fact-based reporting and expert insight from those who have worked some of the nation's most notorious cases. Known for having the best guest in true crime, STS gives viewers direct access to the experts behind the headlines. Join #STSNation for live shows, breaking updates, audience Q&As, and in-depth case analysis.