Ben and I have spoken before and we both attended Rafe Kelley's Return to the Source. We discuss the exaptaton of tracking and fire making, and the spirituality of the vision of quest. Tribal Edge https://www.tribaledge.life Firekeeping Course (online) https://firekeeping.podia.com YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzL2SP8POIzfJAidb0g-s2Q Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tribal.edge