Steven Rinella talks with author Isaac Fitzgerald. Topics discussed: Isaac's new book, American Rambler: Walking the Trail of Johnny Appleseed; the true story of Johnny Appleseed (John Chapman) versus the mythologized version; land speculation, westward expansion, and environmental impact; Appleseed's religious influence; the role of storytelling in shaping national legends; the role of apples and cider in American history; John's role in the War of 1812; and more. Isaac's book here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/736787/american-rambler-by-isaac-fitzgerald/ Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network: https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en Check out the gear the MeatEater Crew uses in the field here: https://store.themeateater.com Follow us: Web: https://www.themeateater.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/meateater Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Johnny Appleseed 03:06 The Life and Legacy of John Chapman 06:01 Childhood and Early Influences 08:50 The Journey West and Land Speculation 12:03 Cultural Impact and Historical Context 14:46 Religious Beliefs and Their Influence 18:02 The Role of Alcohol in Early America 21:00 The Complexities of Johnny Appleseed's Character 24:12 The Myths and Realities of His Life 27:05 Conclusion and Reflections on Legacy 30:46 Swedenborgianism and Its Influence 32:05 The American Dream: Passion vs. Business 33:00 American Legends: Boone and Chapman 39:12 Land Speculation and the Orchard Connection 44:10 Chapman's Relationship with Native Americans 52:21 Chapman as the Paul Revere of the War of 1812 53:25 The Disney Version of Johnny Appleseed 01:00:51 The Truth About Apples and Their Varieties 01:01:52 The Great Apple Debate 01:02:51 Johnny Appleseed's Legacy and Festivals 01:06:02 The Life and Death of Johnny Appleseed 01:12:44 The Transformation of Johnny Appleseed's Image 01:20:32 Community and Connection in America 01:25:19 The Optimism of American Culture