As the last Governor of Hong Kong, what are Chris Patten's reflections on the city’s trajectory since the handover in 1997? How can the West improve it's relationship to China? What role does religion play in fostering a more compassionate society today? Rory and Alastair are joined by Lord Chris Patten to discuss all this and much more. 00:00 Introducing Chris Patten 01:24 Growing up in Lancashire 07:35 Being Catholic in politics 12:40 Why he became a Conservative 15:45 Studying in America 19:27 His first job in politics in America 20:50 Getting a job in UK politics 22:05 Conservatism as an instinct 23:40 The Poll Tax 32:25 The fall of Margaret Thatcher 36:30 Working with John Major 42:40 The Governorship of Hong Kong 46:45 Dealing with China 51:55 The arrival of Xi Jinping 53:04 Why China fears reform 59:35 How China sees human rights 1:02:02 How to negotiate with China 1:06:05 BNO passports 1:08:02 Jimmy Lai 1:09:30 Can Britain get anything from China 1:11:39 Brexit 1:17:50 Social Care: the biggest issue no one talks about 1:21:35 How he looks back on his life 1:24:35 Hong Kong wants freedom