Support The Glenn Show at https://glennloury.substack.com 0:00 The problem with scientific consensus 6:36 Why Jay and his colleagues were branded “fringe epidemiologists” 15:52 Jay: We need to engage with everyone—even those with mistaken beliefs 25:55 Persuading science skeptics 36:04 How do we stop COVID overreach from happening again? 46:38 Jay: Gain-of-function research is impossible to do safely 55:03 Are some ideas too dangerous to test? 59:30 Jay: Fauci’s blunder was so catastrophic that only history can judge him Glenn Loury and Jay Battacharya (Stanford, The Illusion of Consensus). Recorded June 23, 2023.

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