a16z General Partner David George is joined by Grant LaFontaine, co-founder of Whatnot, to unpack how a marketplace that started with collectibles evolved into one of the world's leading live shopping platforms. Grant traces the company's origins from selling Pokémon cards online as a kid to discovering live commerce by watching Whatnot's earliest customers hack together sales on social media. They discuss why Whatnot thinks less like a traditional e-commerce marketplace and more like a digital shopping mall, where discovery, entertainment, community, and commerce all happen at once. Today, users spend roughly 95 minutes a day on the platform, and most aren't even buying something on a given day. They also explore how Whatnot is enabling small businesses to reach global audiences, expanding from collectibles into categories like fashion, food, and golf, and using AI to make sellers more efficient without replacing the human connection at the center of the experience. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:06 - The Holographic Pokemon Card That Started It All 03:49 - How Grant & Logan Settled on Whatnot (Drunk in a Tokyo Bar) 09:18 - The State of the Market: Facebook Marketplace, China & QVC 12:41 - Entertainment vs Intent: What Whatnot Actually Sells 21:18 - The Supply Side: Turning Sellers Into Real Businesses 29:22 - Expanding Into Europe & the Seafood Distributor Story 32:47 - Operating at Scale: Staying on Top of What Breaks 39:34 - What's Next: Cars, More Countries & Better Businesses Resources: Follow Grant LaFontaine on X: https://x.com/GrantLaFontaine Follow David George on X: https://x.com/DavidGeorge83 Follow Whatnot on X: https://x.com/whatnot Stay Updated: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and share with your friends! Find a16z on X: https://twitter.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Listen to the a16z Show on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX Listen to the a16z Show on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711 Follow our host: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details please see http://a16z.com/disclosures.