SPONSORS: 1) Download ACORNS: https://www.acorns.com/julian WATCH MATT’S PREVIOUS EPISODE: https://youtu.be/8z6wJhhTwPg?si=OCwy2COaBsFebWqy WATCH SHAWNEE’S PREVIOUS EPISODE: https://youtu.be/tcCTWr5Td2M?si=2R-FpkURvopL20qp (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Matthew Hedger is a former "NOC" Spy for CIA. His program was Top-Secret and completely off-books. By the end of his run, he had successfully infiltrated the Mexican Cartels as one of their chief money launderers. Shawnee Delaney is an Ex-DIA clandestine ops officer, expert on cybersecurity, insider threat program development, surveillance, & investigation. She took part in the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/ INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/ X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey GUEST LINKS - MATT LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-hedger-692a30324/ - SHAWNEE Website: https://www.vaillancegroup.com - SHAWNEE LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/spyex/ LISTEN to Julian Dorey Podcast Spotify ▶ https://open.spotify.com/show/5skaSpDzq94Kh16so3c0uz Apple ▶ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trendifier-with-julian-dorey/id1531416289 JULIAN YT CHANNELS - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Clips YT: https://www.youtube.com/@juliandoreyclips - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Daily YT: https://www.youtube.com/@JulianDoreyDaily - SUBSCRIBE to Best of JDP: https://www.youtube.com/@bestofJDP ****TIMESTAMPS**** 0:00 - CIA Noc Spy, Matt leaked on Dark Web, USAID 15:50 - "Going Black", Money Laundering for CIA inside Cartels, CIA Disguises 24:35 - Matt & Shawnee on how to play deep cover role 24/7 33:35 - How CIA "uses" young officers 38:21 - CIA-Mossad Joint Operation 43:34 - How Matt initially connected with Mexican Cartels 50:25 - Old School Spy Comms 53:15 - Foreign Intel Data Breaches 57:53 - CIA operations in America, Data Privacy, Corporate Data Security 1:08:15 - CIA & DARPA Tech 1:13:45 - Shawnee breaks down AI Threats 1:30:55 - Matt pulls a fast one story, "Politeness & Familiarity" Theory 1:41:02 - Paranoia in Spying 1:42:15 - Matt infiltrates Cartel 1:49:38 - Types of targets Matt wanted 1:53:05 - How Matt psychology moves targets 1:55:20 - Using Banks to launder money 2:00:29 - Fent Problems 2:04:25 - Steering undercover criminal work into CIA work 2:08:39 - Matt turns a Top-10 Bank C-Suite Exec Story 2:25:31 - Matt becomes cartels' "guy" 2:33:25 - Matt's day-to-day cover while working cartels, Addiction to Danger 2:40:05 - Matt's bar-killing story 2:44:05 - The Cartel torture scene Matt witnessed 2:46:25 - Meetings w/ senior cartel leaders 2:49:30 - The Moral repercussions of Matt's spy work 2:54:25 - CIA & The Murder of Kiki Camarena 2:57:15 - Cartels designated terrorist groups 3:01:32 - The strange capture of Cartel Leader "El Mayo" 3:05:38 - Matt remembers undercover situations where he was terrified 3:08:32 - Matt gives more details on how foreign intel doxxed him on Dark Web 3:12:45 - Matt "left" CIA 3:17:27 - Matt & Shawnee love the comments OTHER JDP EPISODES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: - Episode 97 - Andrew Bustamante: https://youtu.be/2PUs7l2jW9c - Episode 107 - Andrew Bustamante: https://youtu.be/7jNz3-WPV5I - Episode 150 - Andrew Bustamante: https://youtu.be/dUlc2d6fDzg - Episode 198 - Joby Warrick: ​​https://youtu.be/F1fhuwCT9YE - Episode 134 - Joby Warrick: https://youtu.be/Xaz7JfTLFQE - Episode 162 - Mark Turner: https://youtu.be/rJng36M3BcI - Episode 197 - Tommy G: https://youtu.be/tO0UFfo54KA - Episode 216 - Danny Hall: https://youtu.be/49h6YOxiTrI - Episode 217 - Danny Hall: https://youtu.be/9HVd2G3NvBo CREDITS: - Host & Producer: Julian Dorey - Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ - In-Studio Producer - Brian Hoffman Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 290 - Matthew Hedger & Shawnee Delaney Music by Artlist.io