In this Australian Finance Podcast episode, Owen Rask sits down with James Gil, Head of Product at VanEck, to unpack the relaunch of GOAT and why it matters for ETF investors. Rather than simply buying “AI stocks”, GOAT uses AI inside the portfolio construction process to rank global companies, score signals and build a 150-stock portfolio designed to adapt as markets change. James explains why VanEck sees GOAT as a new stage of smart beta or “ETF 3.0” that sits between plain-vanilla index investing and traditional active management. The conversation walks through the four-step engine behind the fund: generating signals from huge datasets, scoring those signals, learning from what has worked across market cycles, and validating the model against live conditions. Owen and James also dig into the difference between GOAT and MOAT, why monthly rebalancing matters, how the portfolio avoids becoming a pure tech bet, and where country and sector tilts are showing up today. They touch on the 21-year simulated track record, why VanEck says the strategy was most resilient in major stress periods, and how investors might use a dynamic ETF alongside more traditional international equity exposures. If you want a practical look at AI-driven ETF investing in Australia, this episode is a great place to start. Chapters: 00:00 Intro & AI Analogy 01:08 VanEck Overview 03:38 GOAT ETF Background 06:24 Sponsors 07:50 MOAT vs GOAT 09:34 Defining "AI Driven" 11:04 ETF Category Explained 12:33 How the AI Works 17:16 Data Behind the Model 19:45 Portfolio Construction 23:58 Backtesting Explained 27:42 Portfolio Weightings 28:35 Who Is GOAT For? 31:15 Turnover & Rebalancing 33:28 Closing Thoughts Episode resources - Buy Gemma’s book “The Money Reset”: https://amzn.to/42Uz0aK - Speak with the Rask Advice team: https://rask.com.au/advice - Ask a question (select the Finance podcast): https://bit.ly/R-quest Show partner resources - View VanEck's range of funds: https://www.vaneck.com.au/vaneck-etfs/?page=etf-selector - Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit: https://bit.ly/Pearler - Get 50% off your first two months using PocketSmith: https://bit.ly/R-PocketSmith - Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe: https://stripe.com This episode is proudly sponsored by VanEck. It is not personal advice. An investment in GOAT involves risks and simulated performance of the index is not indicative of future performance of GOAT. EOFY deals to know about - ending June/July 2026 - 1 free trade per month, for 12 months, for new Pearler customers: https://bit.ly/Pearler Rask resources - All services: https://bit.ly/R-services - Financial Planning: https://bit.ly/R-plan - Invest with us: https://bit.ly/R-invest - Access Show Notes: https://bit.ly/R-notes - Ask a question: https://bit.ly/R-quest - We love feedback! https://raskau.typeform.com/to/ZbfHy6IP Follow us on social media - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rask.invest - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rask.invest DISCLAIMER: This podcast contains general financial information only. That means the information does not take into account your objectives, financial situation, or needs. Because of that, you should consider if the information is appropriate to you and your needs, before acting on it. If you’re confused about what that means or what your needs are, you should always consult a licensed and trusted financial planner. Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee the accuracy of the information in this podcast, including any financial, taxation, and/or legal information. Remember, past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. The Rask Group is NOT a qualified tax accountant, financial (tax) adviser, or financial adviser. Access The Rask Group's Financial Services Guide (FSG): https://www.rask.com.au/fsg