The interview discusses the tensions between Mormon historians and church leadership in the 1970s, focusing on the publication of a pamphlet written by historian D. Michael Quinn (under the supervision of LDS Church Historian at the time Leonard Arrington) responding to a critical book by the Tanners. Initially rejected by Mormon leadership for publishing due to their discomfort with the real history revealed in it, the pamphlet is instead published privately under the pseudonym, A Latter-day Saint Historian, or, as the Tanners dubbed him, "Mr. Clandestine." March 9th 2023 at 7:00PM at Signature Books: https://www.signaturebooks.com/events JERALD & SANDRA TANNER – DESPISED AND BELOVED CRITICS OF MORMONISM https://youtu.be/ba48P051kRY Chapters 00:00:00 Intro to Panelists 00:12:30 The Tanner’s book causes tensions in the 70s between leaders & historians 00:14:00 Historians attempt to answer the Tanners w/out falling afoul of Church Leadership for affirming problematic history 00:17:00 Quinn’s journal excerpt on responding to the Tanners 00:21:30 Who’s side was Reed Durham on? 00:30:00 Michael’s response rejected for publishing 00:32:45 Quinn & Arrington conspire to publish a shorter version anonymously 00:37:00 Quinn’s attempts to distribute the published pamphlet 00:42:30 Sam Weller 00:48:00 How Quinn was found out, Quinn lying when confronted 00:53:00 Quinn & Arrington did not think they’d be caught 00:54:00 Michael Marquardt & Jerald both call Arrington (journal entry) 00:55:00 Arrington: My job is impossible 00:58:00 Sandra Tanner feels sorry for LDS Historians 01:01:00 Leadership want the credibility of scholars but not real scholarship 01:08:00 Giving credit to early historians like Brodie, Arrington, Quinn, Brooks, Newel etc for first steps to transparency before internet days 01:10:00: Negative influence of Joseph Fielding Smith on Mormon history 01:14:00 70s era of Mormon History 01:15:30 Public responses to the pamphlet 01:16:00 Sandra recalls “crowing” from Mormons about the pamphlet, but found most had never read her book 01:20:00 Arrington regrets necessity of “diplomatic deception” (Lying for the Lord) 01:26:15 Effects of this episode on Arrington’s career or spirit/ambitions 01:29:00 Arrington surprised to find out the First Presidency could approve a project and have apostles work behind the scenes to undermine it 01:30:30 Did Mike ever regret the writing of or the substance of the pamphlet? 01:32:00 Quinn an early apologist? Or “apologetic critic”? 01:34:00 Quinn crafted his own version of a true believer and stayed true to it his whole life ABOUT US: Mormon Stories Podcast is the longest-running and most successful podcast in Mormonism - hosted by Dr. John Dehlin. At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We also occasionally interview scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1) Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology, 2) Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis, and 3) Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions. Mormon Stories Podcast is a product of the Open Stories Foundation - a 501c3 non-profit dedicated to supporting Mormons in religious transition. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Our Platforms: Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us: MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 #MormonStories #Mormon #lds