Join John Dehlin and YouTubers Jordan and McKay (@jordanmckay) to discuss the recent arrest of Mormon YouTube Mom Ruby Franke of "8 Passengers" fame and Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt on child abuse charges. We will be discussing the history of the Franke family and the 8 Passengers YouTube channel, as well as the super-controversial work of Jodi Hildebrandt as a Mormon therapist focusing on "sexual addiction" (i.e. masturbation), marriage counseling, and parenting. We welcome your stories as well! Jordan & McKay 8 Passengers Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5c7YT7oEpRQz04FU5uDm8_KtiTBPEXH- https://www.youtube.com/@JordanandMcKay https://www.patreon.com/jordanandmckay Julie Hanks https://www.drjuliehanks.com/ https://www.instagram.com/drjuliehanks/ https://www.facebook.com/DrJulieHanks/ Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/8-passengers-ruby-franke-and-therapist-jodi-hildebrandt-arrested/ Chapters 00:16:04 Who are 8 Passengers? 00:25:55 “8 Passenger” started in 2015 00:33:35 Jordan’s profession/education - MA in social work 00:36:28 One of their Videos - 8 Passengers 00:44:12 Another clip from their vlog 00:48:33 - “Traditional Family Values” Video Clip 00:53:05 For the Strength of Youth - Video Clips 00:58:40 Getting into the child abuse - trigger warning 00:59:19 Clip - Child abuse 01:09:30 Clip - 6 year old goes hungry 01:17:55 Clip - Ruby starving her kids again 01:18:21 Ruby uses food as a punishment 01:20:48 Clip - Ruby delays medical intervention for her kids 01:26:31 Clip - Jodi Hildebrandt 01:27:40 Jodi HIldebrandt slide - background information 01:29:06 License put on probation 01:30:34 Mormon therapist rats on Mormon clients 01:37:00 John’s story with Jodi Hildenbrandt 01:42:50 Families and marriages were harmed for these practices 01:45:55 Julie Hanks joins the podcast 01:48:55 Addiction Recovery, everyone who masturbates is not a sex addict or porn addict 01:54:30 Why was Jodi reported so many times and nothing happened? 01:59:30 Slide - Classes offered by Moms of Truth 02:03:35 Clip - Ruby and Kevin 02:10:39 Ruby Takes Christmas away from her kids 02:22:22 Clip - Ruby talking about how to parent children 02:31:09 Reddit post, Kevin has moved out Jodi has moved in 02:33:33 The lack of action of Utah Child Protective Services 02:41:45 Clip of Ruby leaving 8 Passengers 02:47:58 August 30th, 2023 - Instagram story 02:56:40 August 30th Slide - What happened that day? 02:56:56 Twelve year old sneaks out, he runs to the neighbors home 03:02:30 Arrested and charged, both Ruby and Jodi 03:11:45 Ruby’s siblings speaking up 03:13:40 Post from oldest daughter 03:19:00 Final Slide - Neighbor called the police multiple times 03:23:16 Clip from Tik Tok about 8 Passengers 03:28:20 People should always be placed over principles 03:31:40 The sinister thing is these people are your neighbors 03:32:40 “I’ve never been more disappointed to be right my entire life”