He believes that the anxiety about never drinking again is the primary reason people struggle to quit alcohol.

“the anxiety is the anxiety is what if I'm sober forever that's the anxiety really that's why people don't quit”

He suggests that in the process of making amends, if a past action does not bother you, it is unnecessary to make an apology.

“it has a pretty level kind of Justice meter but if it doesn't bother you then you don't make an amends”