Societal order and stability depend on inherited stories and traditions that provide a bulwark against destruction.

“I worry about what happens when the square is denuded completely and that's why this discussions an item you to in particular a ride on the cusp of this because this is this is where I think a lot of us ah even if we really wanted to believe we basically can't”

Stable societies require traditional frameworks to navigate human existence, even if those traditions are not literally true.

“if you can't think well you're going to think badly and if you think badly you're going to fall into trouble and so it is definitely the case and this has been and what would you call a a cliche of political belief for a long time if you're not very smart it's better to be conservative”