Meeting a former sponsor at a store during a personal crisis was a divine event that facilitated his long-term sobriety.

“and I walk in and there you are and I go how you like them apples he didn't say that it's not sorry he could have though yeah and then he goes I have all your like you want to I I have everyone's number from all the numbers I lost the right so I got you know Dan Old Man Dan Dan Dan right and all and”

The universe connects people at specific times for mutual personal and professional growth.

“I do think you do things in life that lead you to where you're definitely supposed to go we were supposed to do this show and it was kind of unbeknownst to us”