Math is a logical system that perfectly describes the logical patterns of the universe, representing a harmonious marriage between the two.

“The fact that math works at all, as a tool to decode the universe, is evidence that the universe, at least the parts that have revealed itself to us, follows logical repeatable patterns. And math is simply a way to code for logical, repeatable patterns.”

Mathematics as it exists independently in nature is a discovery, but the formal systems developed by humans to describe these patterns are inventions.

“mathematics as we use it and formulate it today is an invention of humans. This is a clear reality of the universe. 'Cause things will do what they're doing whether we understand them or not, and we created math in order to try to understand and reproduce and utilize those things that nature provide”