Tom perceives attending industry parties as an unappealing and potentially nightmarish experience.

“to me it sounds like a goddamn nightmare to go to tell one of those what is it actually like”

Bert feels that attending Emmy award parties can be an overwhelming experience that results in a sense of ego death for those not involved in the industry.

“it it really is fascinating because there's a little bit of ego death in it because you realize first of all it it's it's all celebrating the people getting nominated and winning Emmys so it's not like even as famous as you may be if you're not in that game”