Humanity may require a significant cataclysm to prompt a necessary societal shift toward better behavior.

“I do worry that humans need another big old cataclysm to kind of like be like, all right, all right, all right.”

Indigenous prophecies that call for a return to traditional wisdom are necessary to help humanity navigate the current era of instability.

“they've been saying, you know, at this time the world would be going through incredibly difficult place, like cataclysmic kind of things, and that it will be in such a bad place that you know, we're we're going to really need indigenous wisdom.”