A strong middle ground is necessary to unite the country and avoid harmful political conflicts that threaten national stability.

“what is needed is first of all a strong middle okay to bring the country together in terms of rather than to have this fighting because if if we continue the way we will we're going to have a conflict”

Populism is a reactionary force stemming from the failures of political and economic elites who have mismanaged fiscal and foreign policy.

“I mean I think I have a slightly different definition I don't want to debate semantics with you I think populism is a reaction to the failure of elite so all the people managing our fiscal situation and our foreign policy who've gotten us into all these inary conflicts who've debased our currency I ”