A real pull-up in a confrontation requires being physically present face-to-face with the other person.

“I stand on that. It's not a real pull-up. A pull-up is when you look at somebody in their eye.”

Confronting someone is valid regardless of whether it happens in person, over the phone, or via digital video.

“I see I I'm I'm pulling up regardless. I don't care if you on FaceTime, if you're on the phone. It is what it is. When I get a chance to talk to you, I'm going to talk to you.”