🔗 Click the following link to learn more about Philip Morris International’s progress: https://bit.ly/4qEi16d 📰 Subscribe to UnHerd today at: https://bit.ly/3Qdkd5y UnHerd's Flo Read sits down with Avi Loeb and Michael Shermer to debate the existence of UFOs. Watch it on the UnHerd website: https://unherd.com/watch-listen/the-aliens-debate/ Listen to the podcast: https://plnk.to/unherd?to=page Advertise on UnHerd @ zoe.white@unherd.com In the wake of Obama's on-air revelation that he believes in aliens and Trump's move to declassify government UFO documents, UnHerd invites two world experts to make the best case for hope and doubt about extraterrestrial life. Michael Shermer, Skeptic magazine founder and author of the new book Truth (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Truth-What-Find-Still-Matters/dp/142145372X), and Harvard astronomer Prof. Avi Loeb ask: are we alone in the universe? Follow UnHerd on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unherd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unherd/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unherd/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unherdtv //TIMECODES// 00:00 - 00:52 - Intro 00:53 - 02:25 - Obama’s comments & UFO files 02:25 - 05:18 - Introducing Michael Shermer and Avi Loeb 03:28 - 03:34 - Sponsor: Philip Morris International 03:34 - 05:19 - Reactions to Obama video 05:19 - 10:11 - Avi Loeb’s case for alien artefacts 10:11 - 13:49 - Michael Shermer’s skeptical perspective 13:49 - 17:12 - Anomalies, interstellar objects and scientific caution 17:12 - 19:36 - Academia, SETI and the UAP stigma 19:36 - 22:07 - Conspiracies, cover-ups and area 51 myths 22:07 - 25:01 - Sagan’s dragon and unfalsifiable claims 25:01 - 28:58 - NDAs, government programs and “Where is the evidence?” 28:58 - 31:30 - Whistleblowers, non-human biologics and alternative explanations 31:30 - 32:32 - AI, deepfakes and the future of UFO “evidence” 32:32 - 34:38 - Military UFO videos and pilot misperceptions 34:38 - 36:25 - Galileo Project: triangulation and detecting anomalies 36:25 - 38:14 - Physics limits on exotic propulsion and warp drives 38:14 - 39:16 - Technological gaps, new physics and national rivalries 39:16 - 43:54 - Whistleblower motives and crash sites 43:54 - 45:58 - The day after discovery: civilisation-level impact 45:58 - 47:06 - Closing remarks and debate wrap-up #UnHerd #UFO #Aliens