What does James Cleverly think of Nigel Farage and Reform? How does Cleverly explain his unexpected exit from the Tory leadership race? What could the future of AI in Great Britain look like under different leadership? Sir James Cleverly joins Rory and Alastair to answer all these questions and more. Social Producer: Celine Charles Video Editor: Josh Smith Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen General Manager: Tom Whiter Search IG.com to find out more and/or Look for IG in your app store. Based on the transcript: 0:00 — Cold open: Starmer, Farage, Brexit and political polarisation 0:52 — IG 1:56 — James Cleverly on the Tory leadership contest 7:14 — Cleverly’s family background and mixed-race childhood 11:40 — Racism, the National Front and growing up in 1970s London 13:05 — Joining the Army and the pressure of being a black officer 16:06 — Race, assumptions and whether politics is too quick to condemn 17:12 — JD Vance, Trump and American attacks on Britain 24:22 — How Britain should handle Trump’s White House 27:35 — Cleverly’s attack on Starmer’s diplomacy 31:21 — Why Labour and the Tories are both collapsing 35:17 — Should politicians chase voters or stick to principles? 36:30 — Vauxhall 37:35 — Tory defections, Reform and the humiliation ritual of switching sides 41:53 — Robert Jenrick’s political transformation 44:34 — Brexit, Farage and why the main parties won’t confront it 49:48 — Why Cleverly was moved from Foreign Secretary 51:02 — Britain’s dependence on America and China 54:38 — Cleverly’s verdicts on Sunak, Truss and Johnson 59:28 — Why politicians are failing to grapple with AI 1:04:20 — Why Cleverly is a Conservative 1:05:31 — Would Cleverly run for Mayor of London? 1:06:36 — Why Cleverly rules out a deal with Nigel Farage 1:11:45 — Debrief