I almost stopped this episode mid-recording. That's never happened before. Dr. John Demartini is a human behavior specialist, bestselling author of over 40 books, and one of the featured teachers in the global phenomenon The Secret. He has spoken in over 100 countries, shared stages with Deepak Chopra, Stephen Covey, and Richard Branson, and has spent over five decades developing methodologies used by psychologists, educators, and executives around the world. He is, by any measure, one of the most influential voices in the personal development space. He also told me, to my face, that there are "upsides to the murder of children." That evil does not exist. That a person torturing another person is simply an event, not a moral violation. That every act of cruelty is just a projection of our incomplete awareness. And Jesus is neither good nor bad, and “Rumi is a jihadist in his own way.” I couldn't let that stand. What followed was the most heated, raw, and philosophically charged conversation I've ever had on this show. We went round after round on moral relativism, the nature of good and evil, the body's innate knowledge of right and wrong, and whether we have a sacred obligation to stand against cruelty or simply find the blessing in it. This is not a comfortable listen. But it might be one of the most important conversations I’ve ever had. Since I wasn't exactly prepared for a debate, I decided to expand on my position in a Substack titled "The Line in the Sand: Why Moral Relativism Fails the World". https://aubreymarcus.substack.com/p/the-line-in-the-sand-why-moral-relativism | Dr. John Demartini | ►Website | ⁠⁠https://drdemartini.com/ ►Instagram | ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/drjohndemartini/ ►YouTube | ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/drdemartini⁠⁠ This episode is sponsored by: ►Metal Mark Golden Collectable Art | ⁠⁠ ⁠https://mtlmrk.com/ ►Korrect Life |⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hhttps://korrectlife.com/ Chapters 00:00 Intro 02:52 The Nature of Morality and Agency 05:46 Unity of Opposites: Understanding Life's Dualities 09:12 Cultural Perspectives on Morality 11:57 The Role of Experience in Shaping Values 15:07 The Impact of Trauma and Healing 18:07 Situational Ethics and Moral Dilemmas 21:12 The Complexity of Human Behavior 27:02 Finding Meaning in Tragedy 29:51 The Power of Perspective in Healing 33:03 The Role of Gratitude in Overcoming Adversity 39:04 The Balance of Life and Death 44:58 Concluding Thoughts on Morality and Existence 55:45 The Power of Perception 58:35 Agency and Transformation 01:01:03 The Balance of Good and Evil 01:04:39 Historical Perspectives on War and Peace 01:10:47 The Nature of Evil 01:15:18 Mediation and Conflict Resolution 01:28:14 The Journey of Understanding | Aubrey Marcus | ►Website |⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aubreymarcus.com/ ►Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/aubreymarcus/ ►Facebook |⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/AubreyMarcus/ ►X |⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/AubreyMarcus ►Substack |⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://substack.com/@aubreymarcus ► Love To The Seventh Power:⁠⁠ ⁠https://chakaruna.com/collections/books⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the Aubrey Marcus podcast: ►iTunes |⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://apple.co/2lMZRCn ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ►Spotify |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://spoti.fi/2EaELZO ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ►Stitcher |⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://bit.ly/2G8ccJt ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ►IHeartRadio |⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ihr.fm/3CiV4x3 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ========================================­===== About the Podcast Founder of Onnit and modern philosopher Aubrey Marcus asks the important questions: How do we find our purpose, wake up to who we truly are, have a few more laughs, and human being a little better? The Aubrey Marcus Podcast brings in world-class guests from the fields of athletics, health, business, fitness, science, relationship and spirituality, and asks them to open up about the failures and successes that define their wisdom and character. Follow me on social to keep up with the latest, and meet many of the incredible guests we’ve been honored to have on the show.