The "Give us Barabbas!" Episode Dave Johnson and Pat Kahnke discuss Tim Alberta's fantastic new book "The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism." This is the second in a series of conversations about the book. In this episode, we discuss Chapter 1, in which Tim Alberta tells the story of a young pastor struggling to serve Jesus in the midst of a congregation that wants him to take a much more MAGA approach to the issues of the day. We deal with two main questions: What does it look like when patriotism becomes almost a worship of your country? How can pastors and church leaders talk about these issues without tearing their churches apart or "politicizing the pulpit"?