Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John for Part 2 as they look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives. Helen Mar Kimball's age reduction digital illustration by Adam Worthington https://www.knowbrotherjoseph.com/ LDS Discussion Essay on Plural Marriage Proposals: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/polygamy-proposals Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/plural-marriage-proposals-2/ Special Guest: Elisha Lee Faith Unraveled Tiktok: tiktok.com/@faith.unraveled Soul Unraveled Tiktok tiktok.com/@soul.unraveled LDS Discussions 6-part Polygamy Series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqp9bdHd3io&list=PLxq5opj6GqOCtRHWmdfD5-6Eq18VYBrcE LDS Discussions Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p7gAxwsM_k&list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced Chapters: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:03:10 A recap of our mini series on polygamy so far 00:05:30 Elisha reflects on D&C 132 00:13:45 What we covered in part 1 of the polygamous proposals series 00:19:50 Maria and Sarah Lawrence 00:25:10 Controversy with the estate of the Lawrence sisters 00:37:45 Helen Mar Kimball 00:48:15 How the essay misleads about the Kimball story 00:53:00 Several months before her fifteen birthday 00:57:00 Did Joseph Smith have sex with Helen Mar Kimball? 01:05:50 Joseph Smith traded exaltation for Helen’s hand in marriage 01:09:30 How Helen lost her eternal companion to Joseph 01:15:44 Sarah Ann Whitney 01:18:00 The secrecy even within the family of Sarah Ann Whitney 01:19:00 Joseph’s letter to the Whitney family 01:28:20 Joseph creates another sham marriage with an eternal bargain 01:33:50 A quick recap of the deception of the Sarah Ann Whitney marriage 01:35:50 Emma tries to undercut Joseph in the Relief Society 01:39:59 Relief Society statement dyeing polygamy - October 1, 1842 01:45:00 Joseph Smith possibly physically abusing Emma - William Clayton 01:46:10 Joseph Smith and the idea of “Grooming” his followers 01:48:40 Recapping the tactics that might fall under grooming 01:51:20 Conclusion LDS Discussions Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p7gAxwsM_k&list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced _________________________ LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Amazon Smile: Be sure to select “Mormon Stories” website: https://smile.amazon.com app: https://amz.run/5r2M LDS Discussions Platforms: Website & Essays: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com Anchor: https://anchor.fm/lds-discussions Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2UkFsqYDl5SHiRX2dvA9MO YouTube Playlist on Mormon Stories Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced LDS Discussions on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/ldsdiscussions Facebook: facebook.com/ldsdiscussion Insta: instagram.com/ldsdiscussions Contact Mormon Stories: MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Mormon Stories on Social Media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF