Every episode days early, ad-free, plus my essays: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe In this episode, I speak with Nobel laureate Gerard ’t Hooft, a theoretical physicist known for his work on the electroweak interaction and his radical ideas about quantum mechanics. To him, the universe is a cosmic pinball machine. Every ball follows a fixed path. No randomness. No mystery. We only invented quantum mechanics to cope with our ignorance. In his picture, there are no real numbers. No wave functions. No superposition. Just discrete states clicking forward, one after another, beneath everything we see. Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e Links Mentioned: - Gerard’s site: https://webspace.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/ - Gerard’s papers: https://inspirehep.net/authors/1019113 - Cellular Automaton Interpretation Of Quantum Mechanics [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/3319823140?tag=toe08-20 - David Wallace [TOE]: https://youtu.be/4MjNuJK5RzM - Emily Adlam & Jacob Barandes [TOE]: https://youtu.be/rw1ewLJUgOg - Roger Penrose [TOE]: https://youtu.be/sGm505TFMbU - Conway’s Game Of Life: https://playgameoflife.com/ - Julian Barbour [TOE]: https://youtu.be/bprxrGaf0Os - Emily Adlam [TOE]: https://youtu.be/6I2OhmVWLMs - Sabine’s video on Gerard: https://youtu.be/2kxoq5UzAEQ - Sabine Hossenfelder [TOE]: https://youtu.be/E3y-Z0pgupg - Tim Palmer [TOE]: https://youtu.be/vlklA6jsS8A | Tim's paper on Rational Quantum Mechanics https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.11262 - Carlo Rovelli [TOE]: https://youtu.be/hF4SAketEHY - Stephen Wolfram [TOE]: https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4 - Bernardo Kastrup & Sabine Hossenfelder [TOE]: https://youtu.be/kJmBmopxc1k - Tim Maudlin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss - Jacob Barandes [TOE]: https://youtu.be/wrUvtqr4wOs - Ted Jacobson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8 - Claudia De Rham [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Ve_Mpd6dGv8 - Neil Turok [TOE]: https://youtu.be/ZUp9x44N3uE - Latham Boyle [TOE]: https://youtu.be/nyLeeEFKk04 - David Kaiser [TOE]: https://youtu.be/_yebLXsIdwo - String Theory Iceberg [TOE]: https://youtu.be/X4PdPnQuwjY - Birth of Asymptotic Freedom [Paper]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0550321385902068 - How To Become A Good Theoretical Physicist [Article]: https://www.goodtheorist.science/index.html SUPPORT: - Become a YouTube Member (Early Access Videos): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join - Support me on Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - Support me on PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 SOCIALS: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs Guests do not pay to appear. Theories of Everything receives revenue solely from viewer donations, platform ads, and clearly labelled sponsors; no guest or associated entity has ever given compensation, directly or through intermediaries. #science