Chatted with my friend Leopold Aschenbrenner about the trillion dollar cluster, unhobblings + scaling = 2027 AGI, CCP espionage at AI labs, leaving OpenAI and starting an AGI investment firm, dangers of outsourcing clusters to the Middle East, & The Project. Read the new essay series from Leopold this episode is based on here: https://situational-awareness.ai/ 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒 * Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/leopold-aschenbrenner * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leopold-aschenbrenner-china-us-super-intelligence-race/id1516093381?i=1000657821539 * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NQFPblNw8ewxKolIDpiYN?si=6NaTHAugT2SxZrspW3lziw * Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp * Follow Leopold on Twitter: https://x.com/leopoldasch 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒