The White House considers preemptive pardons for the people Donald Trump and his allies have promised to target, setting off a debate among Democrats. Jon and Dan talk through the pros and cons of the move, who Biden could consider if he does move forward, and what Trump or other presidents might do in the future as a result. Then, veteran Democratic strategist Steve Schale talks with Dan about what led to the party's collapse in his home state of Florida, and why he's worried that the damage may spread. CHAPTERS 00:00 - Should Biden issue preemptive pardons? 14:35 - Democratic Shakeup in Congress 24:52 - New Info on Swing Voters 44:39 - Ads 46:59 - Interview with Steve Schale CHECK OUT THESE DEALS FROM OUR SPONSORS ZBIOTICS: https://www.zbiotics.com/CROOKED use code CROOKED LUMEN: https://www.lumen.me/crooked Want Pod Save America ad-free? Subscribe to Friends of the Pod: http://crooked.com/friends Our book Democracy or Else is out now! Get your copy at https://bit.ly/491j0oc. Profits support Vote Save America and 2024 campaigns. Subscribe to our channel! https://www.youtube.com/crookedmedia?sub_confirmation=1 Photos courtesy of AP Photo Archive Crooked believes that we need a better conversation about politics, culture, and the world around us—one that doesn’t just focus on what’s broken, but what we can do to fix it. At a time when it’s increasingly easy to feel cynical or hopeless, former Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor have created a place where people can have sane conversations that inform, entertain, and inspire action. In 2017 they started Crooked with Pod Save America—a no-bullshit conversation about politics. Since then, we continue to add shows, voices, and opportunities for activism, because it’s up to all of us to do our part to build a better world. That’s it. End of mission. Learn more about Crooked at http://www.crooked.com Follow the pod on Twitter https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica Follow Crooked on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CrookedMedia/ Follow Crooked on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/