Before the arrest. Before the trial. Before the conviction. Kouri Richins sat down on a local morning show to talk about grief, healing, and a children's book she presented to the world as her own. Trial testimony later established the book was written by a ghostwriting service she hired. And the husband she was publicly grieving had, according to prosecutors, been poisoned by her weeks earlier. This look back watches that interview with two of the sharpest analysts in the business — knowing everything we know now. Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott breaks down the psychology of it: what the performance of grief looks like when it isn't real, how a person constructs and maintains a public persona in the immediate aftermath of a crime, and what Kouri's specific choices in that interview reveal about how she was operating. Retired FBI Behavioral Analysis Chief Robin Dreeke breaks down the behavioral tells — the language patterns, the delivery, the non-verbal signals a trained analyst reads completely differently than a casual viewer once the outcome is known. We revisit where the case stood at the time of our reporting and walk through the appearance frame by frame. This is what calculated narrative management looks like — a woman selling a story to a TV audience while the truth sat hidden underneath it. And this is what it looks like when an expert in deception and an expert in the mind take that performance apart, moment by moment. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. #KouriRichins #KouriRichinsGuilty #EricRichins #BehavioralAnalysis #DeceptionDetection #TrueCrime #RobinDreeke #ShavaunScott #UtahMurder #HiddenKillers