Steven Rinella talks with Eric Odell, the recently retired Colorado Wolf Reintroduction Manager, about politics, predation, and the realities of living with wolves. Presented by Can-Am, the leader in ATVs, SxS, and Utility Vehicles www.can-am.brp.com Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network: https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en Check out the gear the MeatEater Crew uses in the field here: https://store.themeateater.com Follow us: Web: https://www.themeateater.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/meateater Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater Chapters: 2:15 – How the Wolf Ballot Measure Passed by 2 Points 8:15 – Turning a Ballot Measure Into an Actual Plan 13:40 – Becoming "The Wolf Guy" — and the Threats That Followed 18:35 – Wild Wolves Beat the State to Colorado 24:00 – The Legal Loophole That Made Wolf Management Possible 30:30 – The Hunt for States Willing to Give Up Their Wolves 37:45 – Inside a Wolf Capture and Release 45:00 – Do Wolves Develop a Taste for Cattle? 52:10 – The Copper Creek Pack and Colorado's First Lethal Removal 59:40 – No Celebrity Wolves, and a Legal Fight Over British Columbia 64:40 – The Mexican Wolf Genetics Debate 70:20 – How Many Wolves Can Colorado Actually Hold? 80:00 – What Eric Would Change, and Wolf Advocates' Blind Spot 87:40 – Retirement, Reflection, and the Sound of a Wolf Howl