My guest today is David Bernstein. David is a professor at George Mason University Law School and the executive director of their liberty and Law Centre. His new book is called "Classified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America". Topics covered in this episode include the definition of race and the historical origins of America's Big Five racial and ethnic categories, which are Asian American, Black, Hispanic, American Indian, and White. We discuss the problems with all of these categories and how those problems manifest in race based affirmative action programs and race based social spending in general. We talk about the phenomenon of racial fraud trials where judges have to determine the race of individuals seeking to qualify for certain programs. We discuss the malleability of racial identity, and how commonly our racial identities can change in response to incentives. We also go on to discuss the prospect of what David calls "a separation of race and state". I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too. #Ad GiveWell spends over 20,000 hours each year researching charitable organizations and only recommends a few of the highest impact, evidence-baked charities they’ve found. And here’s the best part: GiveWell is free. GiveWell wants to empower as many donors as possible to make informed decisions about their donations. They publish all of their research and recommendations on their site FOR FREE, no signup required. They allocate your tax-deductible donation to the charity you choose without taking a cut. GiveWell reviews independent evidence to understand if a program is effective. They model the cost-effectiveness of the charities to estimate which charities have the biggest impact. They dig into a charity’s specific data, work, and implementation of the program. Go to https://www.givewell.org and pick PODCAST and enter “Conversations With Coleman” at checkout. #Ad Many of my listeners are aware, self-censorship is a major problem on U.S. college campuses right now. In 2021, 63% of college students agreed that the climate on their campus prevents people from saying things that they believe. Heterodox academy wants to change that. HxA is a nonpartisan nonprofit, founded by social psychologist and recent guest on the podcast Jonathan Haidt, that seeks to improve the quality of education and research in higher education by increasing open inquiry, viewpoint diversity, and constructive disagreement on college campuses. HxA’s 5,000+ members come from institutions around the globe and hold viewpoints from across the political and ideological spectrums, but they all agree on one thing: great minds don’t always think alike. If you care about the impact our universities have on our society and democracy, Heterodox Academy should be on your radar. Visit https://heterodoxacademy.org/coleman to learn more. DAVID'S NEW BOOK - https://www.amazon.com/Classified-Untold-Racial-Classification-America/dp/1637581734 FOLLOW COLEMAN YouTube - http://bit.ly/38kzium Twitter - http://bit.ly/2rbAJue Facebook - http://bit.ly/2LiAXH3 Instagram - http://bit.ly/2SDGo6o Podcast -https://bit.ly/3oQvNUL Website - https://colemanhughes.org/ Limited Edition Merch - https://bit.ly/CWCMerch #ConversationswithColeman #CWC #ColemanHughes #Podcast #Politics #society #Colemanunfiltered #Unfiltered #Music #Philosophy #BlackCulture #Intellectual #podcasting #podcastersofinstagram #Youtube #podcastlife #music #youtube #radio #comedy #podcastshow #spotifypodcast #newpodcast #interview #motivation #art #covid #history #republicans #blacklivesmatter #follow #libertarian #art #socialism #communism #democracy #americafirst #blm #trending #capitalism #kag #indian #conservatives #media #elections