The GMO co-founder weighs in on bubbles, AI hype, environmental issues, and where investors can find better values. Today on the podcast, we’re delighted to welcome back Jeremy Grantham to discuss his book, The Making of a Permabear: The Perils of Long-term Investing in a Short-term World, which he co-authored with Edward Chancellor. Jeremy is the long-term investment strategist at his namesake firm, Grantham, Mayo, Van Otterloo & Company, or GMO, which he co-founded in 1977. He serves on GMO’s asset-allocation committee and board of directors. Prior to GMO, Jeremy was co-founder of Batterymarch Financial Management and, before that, was an economist at Royal Dutch Shell. He earned his undergraduate degree from the University of Sheffield and his MBA from Harvard University. Jeremy is a member of the Academy of Arts and Sciences, holds a CBE from the UK, and is a recipient of the Carnegie Medal of Philanthropy. In 1997, he and his family started the Grantham Foundation for the protection of the environment, which supports research and action to address climate change. The Making of a Permabear: The Perils of Long-term Investing in a Short-term World https://www.amazon.com/Making-Permabear-Long-term-Investing-Short-term/dp/0802167071 Episode Highlights 00:00:00 Writing Permabear With Edward Chancellor 00:06:44 Value Investing and Identifying Market Bubbles 00:15:07 Current Market Outlook and Valuation Risks 00:20:28 Value Discipline, SpaceX’s IPO, and Past Market Bubbles 00:27:26 Speculative Trading, Indexing, and Zero‑Sum Markets 00:34:24 Market Inefficiencies, Small-Cap Stocks, and the Greater Fool Theory 00:43:27 Artificial Intelligence Hype, Attractive Assets, and Market Pessimism 00:47:02 Climate Risks, Resource Constraints, and Shrinking Populations More From Morningstar 3 Warnings for Investors From the Ultimate Contrarian https://www.morningstar.com/personal-finance/3-warnings-investors-ultimate-contrarian Ben Carlson: Exploring Risk and Reward https://www.morningstar.com/podcasts/the-long-view/ben-carlson-exploring-risk-reward What Today’s Index ETFs Get Right, and Wrong, for Investors https://www.morningstar.com/funds/what-todays-index-etfs-get-right-wrong-investors If you have a comment or a guest idea, please email us at TheLongView@Morningstar.com. Follow The Long View on social media: Christine Benz on X (@christine_benz) https://x.com/christine_benz Ben Johnson on X (@MstarBenJohnson) https://x.com/MstarBenJohnson Christine Benz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christine-benz-b83b523 Amy Arnott on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-c-arnott-cfa-6a1a7331 Ben Johnson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-johnson-cfa-5a288175 Subscribe to Christine’s weekly newsletter, Improving Your Finances https://www.morningstar.com/newsletters/improving-your-finances Visit Morningstar.com for new research and insights from Christine, Ben, and Amy. This episode is sponsored by Vanguard: https://advisors.vanguard.com/engagement/fixed-income