Support The Glenn Show at https://glennloury.substack.com Full 2-hour stream available here: https://glennloury.substack.com/p/tgs-live-charles-murray-on-religion Order Glenn's new book, "Self-Censorship," here or wherever you get your books: Amazon: https://tinyurl.com/683p6kk3 Barnes & Noble: https://tinyurl.com/4yvz4fta Bookshop: https://tinyurl.com/44rznxww 0:00 Charles’s new book, Taking Religious Seriously 8:31 Why Charles finds the idea of divine creation plausible 13:54 Charles’s “road to Damascus” moment 19:25 The appeal of Christianity 24:51 The evidence for life after death 31:38 Charles: “The relative positions of science and religion have flipped” 36:42 The trouble with scientism 40:17 Glenn’s steps toward and away from religion 51:04 Was The Bell Curve putting making a deterministic argument? Glenn Loury (Brown University, Hoover Institution, Self-Censorship) and Charles Murray (AEI, Taking Religion Seriously). Recorded November 4, 2025.