Speaking at the Second Annual New Culture Forum Literary Festival in London (2026), Martin Plaut and Lord Biggar discuss the true history of slavery, a global reality that dates back thousands of years. Martin Plaut is a journalist and academic specialising in conflicts in Africa, especially the Horn of Africa. He worked as a BBC News journalist from 1984 to 2012 and is a member of Chatham House. As of 2019, Plaut was a senior research fellow at the Institute of Commonwealth Studies of the University of London. Martin is the author of "Unbroken Chains: A 5,000-Year History of African Enslavement". Nigel, Lord Biggar is an Anglican priest, theologian, ethicist, and life peer. From 2007 to 2022, he was Regius Professor of Moral and Pastoral Theology at the University of Oxford. Nigel is the author of "Colonialism: A Moral Reckoning" and "Reparations: The Tyranny of Imaginary Guilt " --------------- SUBSCRIBE: If you are enjoying the show, please subscribe to our channel on YouTube (click the Subscribe Button underneath the video and then Click on the Bell icon next to it to make sure you Receive All Notifications) AUDIO: If you prefer Audio you can subscribe on itunes, Soundcloud, Spotify or any major podcast platform. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ATCBhk47PdEXiRndlUpVk?si=VZZl6WX1TOKYmW4e2x3cUA Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/user-923838732 itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/so-what-youre-saying-is/id1454511530?mt=2 SUPPORT/DONATE: MEMBERSHIP: Join our membership scheme from only £4 per month and receive a range of benefits, including exclusive content. Depending on membership-tier level, members receive free or discounted tickets to our events, free copies of our books, invitations to private events and filming in our studio, and of course our famous NCF mug. Visit Patreon for more info: https://www.patreon.com/c/NewCultureForum PAYPAL/ CARD PAYMENTS - ONE TIME & MONTHLY: You can donate in a variety of ways via our website: http://www.newcultureforum.org.uk/#donate It is set up to accept one time and monthly donations. JOIN US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Web: http://www.newcultureforum.org.uk F: https://www.facebook.com/NCultureForum/ Y: http://www.youtube.com/c/NewCultureForum X: https://x.com/newcultureforum (@NewCultureForum) I: https://www.instagram.com/newcultureforum/