Welcome to Whiskey Ginger — a Wave series. Andrew Santino sits down with comedian and writer Phil Hanley for a sharp, funny conversation about stand-up, writing, and why precision matters more than volume in comedy. They talk about Phil’s book Spellbound, the discipline behind joke construction, crowd work that actually works, and how subtlety can hit just as hard as chaos. It’s a comic-to-comic episode loaded with insight, laughs, and real stand-up shop talk. Phil Hanley’s book: Spellbound Phil Hanley’s website & tour dates: https://www.philhanley.com In this episode: • Writing jokes with intention and restraint • The balance between crowd work and prepared material • How Spellbound came together • Santino and Phil break down what separates good comics from great ones #whiskeyginger #AndrewSantino #PhilHanley #Spellbound #ComedyPodcast #StandUpComedy #PodcastClips #Comedians