John is interviewed in his favourite outdoor space - Calton Pasture above Bakewell - by Jonathan Brown for the Shepheard Walwyn podcast Part 2. "I've never been too keen on 'belief' and people saying 'You have to believe in God'. That's never seemed real to me. I've always thought of it as fact - in a place like this, it seems self-evident to me." (Apologies for variable sound - it was a windy day). You can order 'Wonders of Spiritual Unfoldment' here - https://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/store/Wonders-of-Spiritual-Unfoldment-p130835556 Visit the publisher's author page here - https://shepheardwalwyn.com/john-butler-author/. Subscribe to their podcast here - https://shepheardwalwyn.com/podcasts-shepheard-walwyn-publishers/. Those wanting more detailed accounts of John's life experience - the formative influences, which have taught and made him what he is, will find it in his 8 published books, available through the website: www.spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/store. Did you know you can now listen to John on Spotify and other audio platforms? Here is his most popular recording 'Common sense guide to meditation' (1m views) - https://ffm.to/commonsenseguidetomeditation. For your free copy of John's poem 'Clouds' join John Butler's email community here - http://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk. Those who wish to support the Work of Spiritual Unfoldment can donate here - https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BBAWMHB4JQMKY Producer: Phil Shankland Music: La Prima Vez by Uma Vera - soundcloud/umahari Copyright: The Spiritual Unfoldment Charitable Trust 2021