A common complaint John hears is that meditators, with their 'head in the clouds', are 'no earthly use'. "Why don't you DO something useful" is the challenge. In this conversation John tells of his attempts as a young man to "make the world a better place" and what it came to. For the first time we also invite questions from invited guests addressing 'mind' and 'why does realisation take so long?' Did you know you can now listen to John on Spotify and other audio platforms? Here is his most popular recording 'Common sense guide to meditation' (1m views) - https://ffm.to/commonsenseguidetomeditation. For your free copy of John's poem 'Clouds' join John Butler's email community here - http://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk. Those wanting more detailed accounts of John's life experience - the formative influences, which have taught and made him what he is, will find it in his 7 published books, available through the website: www.spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/store. Retreat guests asked if the sample t-shirt was more widely available in different size and colours. They are now - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi0TFuqj6eND-mJRf8i2Tnw/store If you prefer ad-free videos and bonus content you can join the Feet on the Ground supporters here - https://www.youtube.com/c/SpiritualUnfoldment/join Those who wish to support the Work of Spiritual Unfoldment can donate here - https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BBAWMHB4JQMKY